LET'S AGREE: Kanye Went Too Far

LET'S AGREE: Kanye Went Too Far

Hey, everyone. It's your guy, guy here, Anthony Fantano, the Internet's busiest music nerd, and we're driving.

We're driving. Yeah, we're leaving Let's Argue City, and we're going to Let's Agree Town, a cozy little place along the Coast where everyone agrees with each other. We're leaving that place in the dust bit of history and in fact, I've loaded that son of a B up with enough plastic explosives to blow up a really big place.

Yeah, we're done arguing. I want to hear your most agreeable take your coldest takes, the stuff that everyone likes to hear for positive vibes only in America. Thank you. So yeah, I went on social media and I asked for exactly that. Let's see the results.

Kanye West lost the chance to revive his career. - @waylobeat

Yeah, this is a let's agree video, and I agree with that. Honestly, and I know it hasn't been that long since I've talked about Kanye on this channel, I feel like I have been, and this has been to a great improvement in my mental health, I feel like I've been less and less plugged into whatever positive or supportive or gas lady type discourse there is happening around Kanye West right now. I do think partially it is because there is less and less of it happening currently.

A lot of people saw that "Cousins" tweet. That was a bridge too far. I feel like you have to have some serious problems if anything over the past year wasn't what did it for you. If it took the tweets about his cousin or the other various tweets about him being a cuck and making cuck music. If that's what did it for you, there's something weird going on with you. You have problems. Or maybe you're not experienced enough in the world. I have no idea. You should talk to a therapist about whether or not you were raised right, or whether or not you were susceptible to things like cults.

I actually watched some of these Kanye West fans who have been riding with him hard for the past six or seven months. If they do actually fall out of grace with Kanye, there is a high likelihood that they end up joining a cult somewhere shortly after. The Kanye West to Scientology pipeline will be real. Look out for it.

But yeah, after this most recent string of tweets, I don't know if there's anybody out there who is still really truly supporting Kanye West. I feel like, as I've been saying in the multiple pieces of content, I've been making about his downfall as of late.

This is the cycle that Kanye is always in. He is embedded into a certain culture or community of people. Because he is a contrarian by nature, he just has to adhere to the thoughts and feelings and statements that will piss off the people around him the most.

Now that he has fully jettisoned anything and everything that was once connected to early years Kanye or middle years Kanye and so on and so forth, he's now in this weird right wing sphere. Now he has to, once again, find a way to make those people he is now surrounded by and beloved by hate him. The fastest way to do that is to say he's a cuck and say he's in the cuck stuff and tweet this other shit, too.

It's just this constant never-ending boom and bust cycle of all the people who love me, find a way to make them hate me while also ingratiating myself to another of people, transition into that group, and then once I've done that, I need to find a way to get them to hate me, too, and then move on from there. And we're just going to do that over and over and over and over and getting worse each time, mentally and emotionally, as we do it, to the point where I think Kanye is just going to have nobody around him whatsoever. It's just really sad to see it going down that way.

Putting your friends on a new music and then finding out later that they got really into it and started listening to more music on their own that you turned them onto is one of the best parts of being a music fan. - @lman5833

That, my friend, is called connection and music culture. As great as the internet has been as a tool for that very thing, through message boards and through eras of social media that were less divisive and actually fostered community around particular things in an organic fashion. It has more recently shifted into a place that is just algorithmically homogenized, needlessly confrontational around the dumbest things.

Then in addition to that, the amount of music you're being exposed to that's actually made by real fucking humans on some of these music streaming platforms like Spotify, for example, is just becoming less and less and less and less. Just more AI slop bullshit than ever in these places.

The beauty of being able to come together and celebrate and enjoy art collectively as a community, that's culture. I'm not saying right now that the internet is inherently bad for that, but the people who run the internet are bad for that. Things need to happen for that not to be so bad anymore. Changes and all that. Agreeable things, because this is an agree video.

Chance the Rapper is a rapper who took a chance. - @THICCTHICCTHICC

I'm going to disagree on this one. I'm disagreeing.

I'm arguing, in fact, because Chance the Rapper right now is ultimately refusing to take the biggest chance, and that is, come out with a goddamn album, come out with a mixtape. Come out with something. Come out with something other a bunch of random ass singles. Come out with a thing.

What are you doing? Your career opportunities are just evaporating before your very eyes. There's no possible way you could drop an album that is worse than The Big Day. It can only go up from here. Drop a thing!

NPR Tiny Desk concerts are great. - @Milathekot

I mean, yes, I agree. The performances are good and cool and neat and interesting and shed a different light on artists that you don't usually see in a certain context, be it a Megan Thee Stalion or a T-Pain, so on and so forth. But I cannot sit through one of these things because they refuse to specify whether or not it is a tiny concert at a desk or it is a concert at a desk that is tiny. I refuse to donate to NPR ever again until they tell me what it is.

When I was young, I thought Tyler, the Creator, were separated artists, and Tyler was featuring the Creator in every song. - JoanDPares

You're telling me that's not the case? Hold on a second. I thought Tyler was the rapper, and the Creator was the guy making all the beats. You're telling me they're not like a duo? You're joking here.

Here's Tyler.

Okay, this is Tyler. This is clearly Tyler.

Here's the Creator.

Okay, here's the Creator. Clearly, two different guys doing two different things, making music together as one of the greatest duos hip hop has ever known, right up there with Gang Starr, right up there with Outkast. Best hip hop duo ever of the modern era, just like my other favorite hip hop duo, Kendrick and Lamar. Kendrick is the one doing all the raps. Lamar is the one doing all the beats. Don't comment in my comments if you're not going to know your hip hop like me, I know my hip hop.

Misheard song lyrics can actually be a funny, unintentional addition to any song. - @jamv6572

Yeah, one of my favorite instances of that lately is that one guy that got a Young Thug lyric tattooed on him, but it was with horses. They don't stop, they keep going. But I guess the original lyric is like, "Hustlers don't stop, they keep going," which is such a bewildering situation to me...

One, why is that a lyric that sticks out to you out of all the Young Thug lyrics? He has so many other similar lyrics out there, and I guess lyrics that I guess you could say are maybe funnier or wittier or maybe speak more accurately to the personal experience of that seemingly white guy who got that weird ass tattoo. Why that lyric is the one? I don't really know. I feel like hustlers make more sense because they hustle. But also, it is true. Horses don't stop. They keep going. Horses just go and go and go and go. That's why people like to ride them.

I don't know, while it is a weird mistake, at least from what I understand, I'm just merely reporting a random video and headline that I saw on the internet. We all know that all videos and headlines we see online in 2025 are true. There is no denying that. That is not a thing that you can deny. All videos are, in fact, true and real. Media literacy is at an all time high in the current age. But yeah, I think as of late, that is one of my favorite misheard song lyrics.

No music is truly worthless. If a song is enjoyed by even one person, it has value. The only exception is music with an inherently harmful message like Tom McDonald, for example. The big day may be god awful embarrassing, so on and so forth, but I can be happy it exists knowing that there's someone out there who thinks it's the best piece of music ever made. - @Earthling_21_80

I'll do you one even better and say that music has value based even on just the artist themselves enjoying the process of making it and getting something out of doing that. A song, in my opinion, doesn't even necessarily need to have a big or any audience whatsoever consuming it and enjoying it for it to have some value, which again, I think is the case for lots of different artistic disciplines, if even the artist themselves gets something significant personally out of making that art, as long as it didn't involve killing a bunch of people painting a canvas in their blood, which I know sounds freakish and outlandish, but there are legitimately debates and philosophical bits of discourse that have happened over the course of art history about whether or not art is valid, that involves harm being done onto others, sentient beings, so on and so forth.

In fact, there was this really sick art piece in the late 2000s that involved starving a dog. I mean, this stuff is out there. It does exist. But again, so long as the art process isn't doing any harm to somebody else and it's just the artist making some art and getting something out of that process, it has value even based on that.

Buying albums in a physical format is a joy that I hope never stops being a possibility. - @patrickboothe229

I hope so, too. I feel like that is becoming less and less of a possibility, though, into the future as we barrel further and further into a digital streaming information age where you essentially will own nothing and be happy about it. Another downside to this is that your favorite artists and albums and songs can have their stuff ripped off of these platforms or changed in some significant way, and there's pretty much nothing you can do about it. That is, unless you have your own copy of that thing that you can always refer back to no matter what.

Because I don't know, after all, what if there's one person out there who really personally enjoys that first original shittily mixed version of the Life of Pablo the best with the OG tracklist release? What if there's a person out there who just prefers it that way. There's got to be at least one.

Yeah, hopefully that person has a personal copy of that that they can listen to at their pleasure because as more of our media and culture is essentially owned by a smaller and smaller number of multimillion, billion dollar companies, how much of that media and art and culture we will continue to have access to or free or for an affordable price, it's becoming questionable. Maybe piracy will become a thing again. I don't know. We'll see.

You are the Internet's busiest music nerd. - @koushikdas9466

Yeah, I am. Hell, yeah. Yeah, I am. Yeah, I don't even disagree with that.

Nardwaur seems like he's a really nice guy. - @social_creditor

Well, I've met him, and he interviewed me one time. I cannot watch that interview. I hate the way that I look and act in that interview so much. Chances are, if I did another interview, I would still hate the way that I look and act in that interview, even though it would be nice to do another Nardwaur interview where I don't look and act like a fucking idiot the entire time anyway. Yes, I've met him, and he is quite nice, quite a nice guy in person, and I do agree that he is a nice man.

Interactions with people off the internet tend to be much more fulfilling than talking to people online. - @PZLY0202

I mean, at the end of the day, I feel like that depends upon the person and where you're talking and interacting. There are lots of cool people who I know through the internet, and I love my interactions with those people. Those people are important to me and have given me vital perspective on a lot of different things.

If I had the opportunity to just like, casually hang out in person with some of these individuals as a few that I have in mind, don't even live anywhere near me. I would. A long distance online connection is fine, too. Nothing wrong with that.

You should try to find balance in your life in terms of surrounding yourself with positive people, people who you interact with well, and just make sure that those people are online and offline, too, as having people in person to hang out with is vital. Having people in your life, as it were, who are maybe outside the normal orbit of individuals who you regularly have contact with can be good as well because that outside and out of context perspective can most definitely help in some situations.

But yeah, just don't give any strangers your social security number or your address, and you should be fine.

My parents' influence on my musical taste helped shape me into who I am today. I am thankful for them and the memories I get while listening to some of their favorite tunes. - @OpenToeFilms

Aw, that's so cute. It's so adorable. Oh my God. I fully and wholeheartedly agree. I had some similar experiences, though maybe not in the same exact way as some people might envision such a relationship to be with their parents and their music. Oh, this is the music of my generation. Here's what you should listen to. Try this out, so on and so forth.

I just have a lot of vivid memories of being a fan at the same time as my mom was of a lot of contemporary music, like back in the '90s, be it certain singer-songwriters who were popular at the time or certain rock or pop artists and hip hop artists, too. It was really cool to be into some of the same songs and artists that my mom was at the time. She's got some pretty current day hip tastes with some stuff.

Indie music is often not independently produced, but instead made by mainstream record labels, this can be confusing for many people. - @fakemail1096

This is just the product, unfortunately, of the indie boom of the 2000s, where indie music, as you're describing there in terms of its makeup and where it's and who it's produced by, was strictly that for a time.

Then as some of the newer bands that were gaining momentum in the late '90s and 2000s started to build up some steam, labels saw potential in indie music as a new thing to sell records with and brand around and so on and so forth. That's when you saw bands like Death Cab for Cutie getting assigned to big labels and other artists doing bigger label deals and so on and so forth.

Then after that, the conceptual meaning of the indie label began to become more and more meaningless and kind of degrading to the point where it is today. I wouldn't say it's completely degraded. I feel like indie as a label is more descriptive of a sound than it is a literal ethos when it comes to releasing your music.

That's not necessarily the worst thing it could have turned into. I mean, in some respects, I think indie would be an even less functional label if sonically it meant ultimately nothing other than just like, 'Oh, yeah, we release this independently.' Well, it's like, why do we have a genre label just for like, I'm releasing my music independently? It's like you could release any music independently. It doesn't need to be within a certain rubric or sound or whatever.

Having a diverse taste in music doesn't inherently mean you have better taste in music. - @eleruces7722

I mean, it can certainly help. I feel like having a good taste in music means having at least somewhat of a broad taste in music so that you have more perspective about whether or not something you're listening to in a certain genre is actually good.

There's some people who I know who just mostly listen to one single genre, maybe a couple of different genres. As a result, I feel like they're more easily impressed by releases within those spaces that are just okay when there's not really an opportunity to supplement those listening experiences with maybe superior records or more interesting records that are outside of these genre spaces that they're normally comfortable in.

But still, with that being said, you could be fans of artists in 8 or 9 or 10 wildly different genres, and maybe all of those artists be the most boring, surface-level mainstream portrayals, bland commercial portrayals of that sound, and you're just merely aware of them or a fan of them because you don't really do that much digging into music generally outside of what just happens to cross by you when you're looking at random playlists on Spotify.

Which when it comes to taste, is a lot of breadth, but not necessarily a lot of depth. I feel like having a decent music taste, some depth is required. I think listening to a wide array of different artists and genres can certainly help when it comes to improving your music taste. When I say that, I mean your capacity to, I guess, grasp and familiarize yourself and understand different types of groups and instrumental palettes and musical styles and so on and so forth. It can help with that, but it's not like the silver bullet guarantee that you're going to have amazing music taste because you listen to more genres than the average person.

All right, guys, I'm done agreeing with you for the most part. Thank you.

Anthony Fantano. Let's agree forever.

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