AF: But I get the sense from seeing a lot of fans throw the term around so much, threatening the idea that, Oh, you're going back. You may have had this moment now, but next year, believe me, you'll be nothing. You're going right back to the Khia asylum.

S: And it is a vaguely powerful threat because the attention economy is more important than anything else at the moment. So if you've had your moment, I suppose the threat would be that that can all go away if we decide that we don't like you anymore. Someone like a Taylor Swift is going to be particularly resilient to those because of the stature and the infrastructure of her career. But when you look at someone like a Sabrina Carpenter or a Chappell Roan or someone that has really just come up very suddenly, that can theoretically go away. I also think in general, we need to use it and apply it more to men. It really is almost a gendered insult at this point. It is pretty gendered. I think that there are so many male kias. I mean, let's get them out here. Alex Warrant, Vincent Boon, Justin Timberlake, Justin Bieber from time to time.

A: I mean, Even throwing Drake in the kaya.

S: Well, he's the easiest one.